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		<title>By: Aaron Rathburn</title>
		<link>http://theologyandculture.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/the-new-perspective-on-paul-in-a-nutshell/#comment-861</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Rathburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TAR:

I am still studying the issues, but it&#039;s funny that you mention scripture as justification for positions.  I come from a solidly Reformed background, but as I read the two views, one thing that struck me was how much more &quot;biblical&quot; Wright&#039;s view seemed than Piper&#039;s.  And I don&#039;t mean &quot;biblical&quot; as in &quot;supported by scripture,&quot; but just &quot;biblical&quot; in terms of &quot;bible-y.&quot;

Wright&#039;s view resonates so much more with the testimony of scripture to me---with discussions of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob---rather than Piper&#039;s understanding of a God more of time, space, and transcendence.  All of these are true of God, but one view just seems so much more &quot;bibley&quot; =).  And in that sense, more &quot;biblical.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAR:</p>
<p>I am still studying the issues, but it&#8217;s funny that you mention scripture as justification for positions.  I come from a solidly Reformed background, but as I read the two views, one thing that struck me was how much more &#8220;biblical&#8221; Wright&#8217;s view seemed than Piper&#8217;s.  And I don&#8217;t mean &#8220;biblical&#8221; as in &#8220;supported by scripture,&#8221; but just &#8220;biblical&#8221; in terms of &#8220;bible-y.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wright&#8217;s view resonates so much more with the testimony of scripture to me&#8212;with discussions of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob&#8212;rather than Piper&#8217;s understanding of a God more of time, space, and transcendence.  All of these are true of God, but one view just seems so much more &#8220;bibley&#8221; =).  And in that sense, more &#8220;biblical.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TAR</title>
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		<dc:creator>TAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find myself pretty firmly in Pipers court.

I can find not scripture to justify NT&#039;s positions on most of his positions..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find myself pretty firmly in Pipers court.</p>
<p>I can find not scripture to justify NT&#8217;s positions on most of his positions..</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Rathburn</title>
		<link>http://theologyandculture.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/the-new-perspective-on-paul-in-a-nutshell/#comment-845</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Rathburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, cool dude.  Thanks for the heads up, I&#039;m gonna have to play catch-up! =D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, cool dude.  Thanks for the heads up, I&#8217;m gonna have to play catch-up! =D</p>
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		<title>By: ScottL</title>
		<link>http://theologyandculture.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/the-new-perspective-on-paul-in-a-nutshell/#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>ScottL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, there are now 20 articles. :)

And, interestingly enough, McKnight just posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/2009/06/the-pope-justification-the-new.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an article&lt;/a&gt; today about Pope Benedict&#039;s view on justification and whether or not it is similar in ways to the new perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there are now 20 articles. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And, interestingly enough, McKnight just posted <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/2009/06/the-pope-justification-the-new.html" rel="nofollow">an article</a> today about Pope Benedict&#8217;s view on justification and whether or not it is similar in ways to the new perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Rathburn</title>
		<link>http://theologyandculture.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/the-new-perspective-on-paul-in-a-nutshell/#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Rathburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;m going to have to read McKnight&#039;s series (ack, 18 posts!!)

I&#039;ll check out your summary =D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m going to have to read McKnight&#8217;s series (ack, 18 posts!!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll check out your summary =D</p>
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		<title>By: ScottL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You inspired me to go ahead and post a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prodigalthought.com/2009/06/justification-and-new-perspective_28.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;summary article&lt;/a&gt; about the new perspective on my own blog. I brought in stuff from Scot McKnight&#039;s blog and the Christianity Today article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You inspired me to go ahead and post a <a href="http://www.prodigalthought.com/2009/06/justification-and-new-perspective_28.html" rel="nofollow">summary article</a> about the new perspective on my own blog. I brought in stuff from Scot McKnight&#8217;s blog and the Christianity Today article.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the article from &lt;i&gt;Christianity Today&lt;/i&gt;. It seemed a good summary, at least as far as I can understand since I have not yet been able to study the debate between the two. Piper and Wright aren&#039;t too far from one another in some areas, but it seems they have differing distinctives in these 4 areas:

- &lt;b&gt;The Law&lt;/b&gt; (I have always seen it as Piper summarises it, as something that pushes us to Christ (based on Galatians), but Wright says it was established as a way to keep Israel from going totally off track until the Messiah came)
- &lt;b&gt;God&#039;s Righteousness&lt;/b&gt; (interesting that Wright specifically links this into God&#039;s faithfulness to the covenant with Abraham)
- &lt;b&gt;First century Judaism&lt;/b&gt; (this is one of the bigger differing points of how first century Jews, especially the religious leaders, viewed the Law)
- &lt;b&gt;The Gospel&lt;/b&gt; (I do appreciate Wright&#039;s summary of the gospel more than Piper&#039;s, as he focused on the gospel being about the kingly rule of Jesus)

I was surprised that the summary of &#039;future justification&#039; for both seemed pretty similar. I was expecting to hear more from Wright about redemption being about the reconciliation of the cosmos (the whole world/universe). But I&#039;m not sure how that specifically relates into justification.

I was also surprised how Wright has such a heavy focus on the Abrahamic covenant. There was a reference to bringing things back to their original intention, as in Gen 1, and seeing God&#039;s intention from the beginning fulfilled. But there seemed to be a real lack of considering things pre-Abraham.

I think I had pointed this out to you previously, but Scot McKnight has written 18 articles on his blog summarising the debate even more in depth. I stopped after the third article. But there are 2 or 3 books McKnight suggests that a person read even before Wright&#039;s stuff to really get the background of these things. So, as we know, this really isn&#039;t all that &#039;new&#039;. Here is the link - &lt;a href=&quot;http://search.blog.beliefnet.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-search.cgi?blog_id=128&amp;tag=N.T.%20Wright&amp;limit=20&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Justification and the New Perspective&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the article from <i>Christianity Today</i>. It seemed a good summary, at least as far as I can understand since I have not yet been able to study the debate between the two. Piper and Wright aren&#8217;t too far from one another in some areas, but it seems they have differing distinctives in these 4 areas:</p>
<p>- <b>The Law</b> (I have always seen it as Piper summarises it, as something that pushes us to Christ (based on Galatians), but Wright says it was established as a way to keep Israel from going totally off track until the Messiah came)<br />
- <b>God&#8217;s Righteousness</b> (interesting that Wright specifically links this into God&#8217;s faithfulness to the covenant with Abraham)<br />
- <b>First century Judaism</b> (this is one of the bigger differing points of how first century Jews, especially the religious leaders, viewed the Law)<br />
- <b>The Gospel</b> (I do appreciate Wright&#8217;s summary of the gospel more than Piper&#8217;s, as he focused on the gospel being about the kingly rule of Jesus)</p>
<p>I was surprised that the summary of &#8216;future justification&#8217; for both seemed pretty similar. I was expecting to hear more from Wright about redemption being about the reconciliation of the cosmos (the whole world/universe). But I&#8217;m not sure how that specifically relates into justification.</p>
<p>I was also surprised how Wright has such a heavy focus on the Abrahamic covenant. There was a reference to bringing things back to their original intention, as in Gen 1, and seeing God&#8217;s intention from the beginning fulfilled. But there seemed to be a real lack of considering things pre-Abraham.</p>
<p>I think I had pointed this out to you previously, but Scot McKnight has written 18 articles on his blog summarising the debate even more in depth. I stopped after the third article. But there are 2 or 3 books McKnight suggests that a person read even before Wright&#8217;s stuff to really get the background of these things. So, as we know, this really isn&#8217;t all that &#8216;new&#8217;. Here is the link &#8211; <a href="http://search.blog.beliefnet.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-search.cgi?blog_id=128&amp;tag=N.T.%20Wright&amp;limit=20" rel="nofollow">Justification and the New Perspective</a></p>
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